Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.9.13
Mayapur, February 20, 1976
So, distinction between deva and asura. Brahmadayah, beginning from Brahma... Lord Brahma is the supreme praja-pati. From him, maricy-adi, rsayah, all great rsis, they were born. Then, from them, other demigods -- Indra, Candra, Varuna... So these devas, they are not like the asuras, disturbing elements. That is the difference between the asura and deva. The asura will create a situation which is very, very disturbing to the whole human society. And when there are so many asuras, disturbing elements, at that time the Supreme Personality of Godhead comes down, descends, in His incarnation. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg. 4.8].
So Prahlada Maharaja, trying to pacify the Lord, that "This, Your incarnation, is for the benefit of Your servants, vidhi-karah." Vidhi-karah means servant. Vidhi-krt. Vidhi means law and order, and one who executes the law and order, they are called vidhi-kara. So all the demigods, they are appointed by the Supreme Lord to execute the law and order. Because this material world is a chaotic condition, therefore there is necessity of law and order. In the spiritual world there is no such thing. In spiritual world everyone knows that "The Lord is our master, and we are all servants." That is spiritual world. And material world means that "Why there should be one master? We are all master. Why you are searching after one God? Don't you see? All we are Gods, loitering in the street, especially the poor God, daridra-narayana." This is all material conception. Lord is one, Krsna. Krsna says, declares, in the Bhagavad-gita, mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya: [Bg. 7.7] "There is no more superior authority than Me." In many places... Asamaurdhva. Asama, nobody can be equal with God, neither anybody can be higher than Him. That is God. So God is one. There cannot be two Gods. Then there is no meaning of God. Now they manufacture God. In every street, every lane, there is a God.
So Prahlada Maharaja says that "All these big, big demigods, they are Your servants." Vidhi-karas tava sattva-dhamnah. "You are in transcendental position, and we are all servants." Ekala isvara krsna ara saba bhrtya. This is said by Caitanya-car itamrta author.
ekala isvara krsna ara saba bhrtya
yare yaiche nacaya, se taiche kare nrtya
Master is one, Krsna. There cannot be two masters. The master can expand Himself as masters. That is another thing. The master is one. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs. 5.33]. Ananta-rupam. The master can expand Himself in many, many thousands and millions of forms, but they are advaita. They are not different. Just like Krsna, when He married 16,108 wives, so He expanded Himself also into 16,108 forms, Krsna. But those expansions, 16,000 expansions, they are one, the same Krsna. This is to be understood. Krsna may expand Himself in so many forms, but still they are the same. In another place it is exemplified, diparcir eva hi dasantaram abhyupetya [Bs. 5.46]. Just like one candle original, and a second candle, a third candle, a fourth candle... You light up many millions of candles, but they are of the same potency. The candle power is not reduced because we have ignited so many candles from the original. No. Advaitam, acyut... Purnasya purnam evavasisyate. Even though Krsna expands Himself in millions and millions and forms, still, all of them are the..., of the same potency. That is called sattva-dhamnah. So there are different types of expansion of Krsna. They are called vibhinnamsa, svamsa. Krsna expands Himself svamsa. That is Visnu-tattva. That is advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs. 5.33]. Then vibhinnamsa: mamaivamso jiva-bhutah [Bg. 15.7]. Jiva also expansion of Krsna. We are also expansion of Krsna, but we are vibhinnamsa, separated forms. And svamsa, Visnu-tattva, that is one. So in this way we have to understand Krsna's expansion.
So, sarve hy ami vidhi-karah. These vidhi-karah, they are not svamsa; they are vibhinnamsa. Brahma and other demigods and we, we are of them same category, not that because one has become Brahma, so he is equal to the Supreme Lord. No. That is not possible. Siva-virinci-nutam: [SB 11.5.33] "The Supreme Lord is worshiped even by Lord Brahma, Lord Siva." Nobody can be equal. This Mayavada philosophy that in whichever form you worship the Lord, they are all the same -- no, they are not same. Therefore here it is said, vidhi-karah, brahmadaya, "They are all your servants, vidhi-karah." Vidhi-karas means who executes the order of the Supreme Lord. That is devata. And one who wants to become one or equal with the Supreme Lord, they are asuras. They always create disturbance. At the present moment there are so many asuras. Everyone is defying the supremacy of the Supreme Lord. Everyone is trying to become God. Therefore the whole world is in chaotic condition. If we want to adjust this chaotic condition, then we require the incarnation of God. That is already there. Nama-rupe kali kale krsna-avatara. This Hare Krsna movement is the incarnation of Krsna in the form of name. There is no difference... The sankirtana movement which was inaugurated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu... And Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is Krsna Himself. So abhinnatvad nama-naminoh. So this Hare Krsna movement is not different from Krsna or Caitanya Mahaprabhu. So if we take shelter of this holy name of the Lord, Hare Krsna, then we shall be saved. Paritranaya sadhunam [Bg. 4.8]. We shall become sadhu simply by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra. Ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].
We are all sadhus, actually, originally, because we are part and parcel of Krsna, but in contact with maya, we have become asadhu. Sadhu means who are pure devotees. Bhajate mam ananya-bhak. That is sadhu. Otherwise there is no sadhu. The so-called sadhu, they are not sadhu. Sadhu means bhajate mam ananya-bhak. Sadhur eva sa mantavyah, bhajate mam ananya-bhak [Bg. 9.30]. So by chanting this Hare Krsna mantra, even the lowest of the mankind, naradhama, he can become a sadhu. "What is evidence how one can become sadhu simply by chanting?" Yes. Narottama dasa Thakura says, papi tapi yata chilo, hariname uddharilo tara saksi jagai and madhai. Just see how Jagai-Madhai became sadhu. Caitanya Mahaprabhu introducing this sankirtana movement, He is making everyone sadhu. This is Krsna consciousness movement. Everyone is becoming sadhu. Bhajate mam ananya-bhak. So this avatara, nama-rupe avatara, there is no difference. Nama-cintamanih-krsnah caitanya-rasa-vigrahah. The nama is also vigraha, another form of the Lord, rasa-vigraha. So if we take shelter of this avatara, rucy-avataraih... Every avatara, every incarnation of Krsna is very pleasing. Because Krsna is the reservoir of all pleasure, therefore His avatara... Just like Nrsimhadeva, although He is very ferocious to asuras... They are disturbed. They are disturbing elements and they are disturbed. But Prahlada Maharaja is not disturbed. He's peaceful. So Lord's incarnation, either He is very ferocious or He's very kind, for the devotees there is no disturbance. Devotees are not disturbed, and the asuras are disturbed. So take shelter of the holy name of the Lord. Then disturbing condition of this material world will not touch you.
Ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. Bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam. There is a blazing fire. That is the duty, that is the business of... Vande guroh sri caranaravindam. How to extinguish the blazing fire of this material world -- that is the duty. Every devotee, every pure soul, duty is how to extinguish the blazing fire. And that can be done only by pushing on this Krsna consciousness movement. Otherwise it is not possible. Ceto-darpana-marjanam-bhava-
Mayapur, February 20, 1976
Dayananda: "O my Lordship, all the demigods headed by Lord Brahma, they are all Your sincere servants, situated in transcendental position, and they are not like us, my father, the demon Hiranyakasipu, the demon. Your appearance in this fearful form is Your pastime for Your own personal pleasure, and such incarnation is always for the good and protection of the universe."
Prabhupada: "Like my father"? Udvijantah is not described here, the meaning of udvijantah? Dayananda: "Udvijantah -- on account of Your fearful appearance they are all afraid." Prabhupada: Udvijantah, (Bengali) "disturbing," huh? It has to be correct. sarve hy ami vidhi-karas tava sattva-dhamno brahmadayo vayam ivesa na codvijantah ksemaya bhutaya utatma-sukhaya casya vikriditam bhagavato ruciravataraih [SB 7.9.13] |
So, distinction between deva and asura. Brahmadayah, beginning from Brahma... Lord Brahma is the supreme praja-pati. From him, maricy-adi, rsayah, all great rsis, they were born. Then, from them, other demigods -- Indra, Candra, Varuna... So these devas, they are not like the asuras, disturbing elements. That is the difference between the asura and deva. The asura will create a situation which is very, very disturbing to the whole human society. And when there are so many asuras, disturbing elements, at that time the Supreme Personality of Godhead comes down, descends, in His incarnation. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg. 4.8].
So Prahlada Maharaja, trying to pacify the Lord, that "This, Your incarnation, is for the benefit of Your servants, vidhi-karah." Vidhi-karah means servant. Vidhi-krt. Vidhi means law and order, and one who executes the law and order, they are called vidhi-kara. So all the demigods, they are appointed by the Supreme Lord to execute the law and order. Because this material world is a chaotic condition, therefore there is necessity of law and order. In the spiritual world there is no such thing. In spiritual world everyone knows that "The Lord is our master, and we are all servants." That is spiritual world. And material world means that "Why there should be one master? We are all master. Why you are searching after one God? Don't you see? All we are Gods, loitering in the street, especially the poor God, daridra-narayana." This is all material conception. Lord is one, Krsna. Krsna says, declares, in the Bhagavad-gita, mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya: [Bg. 7.7] "There is no more superior authority than Me." In many places... Asamaurdhva. Asama, nobody can be equal with God, neither anybody can be higher than Him. That is God. So God is one. There cannot be two Gods. Then there is no meaning of God. Now they manufacture God. In every street, every lane, there is a God.
So Prahlada Maharaja says that "All these big, big demigods, they are Your servants." Vidhi-karas tava sattva-dhamnah. "You are in transcendental position, and we are all servants." Ekala isvara krsna ara saba bhrtya. This is said by Caitanya-car itamrta author.
ekala isvara krsna ara saba bhrtya
yare yaiche nacaya, se taiche kare nrtya
Master is one, Krsna. There cannot be two masters. The master can expand Himself as masters. That is another thing. The master is one. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs. 5.33]. Ananta-rupam. The master can expand Himself in many, many thousands and millions of forms, but they are advaita. They are not different. Just like Krsna, when He married 16,108 wives, so He expanded Himself also into 16,108 forms, Krsna. But those expansions, 16,000 expansions, they are one, the same Krsna. This is to be understood. Krsna may expand Himself in so many forms, but still they are the same. In another place it is exemplified, diparcir eva hi dasantaram abhyupetya [Bs. 5.46]. Just like one candle original, and a second candle, a third candle, a fourth candle... You light up many millions of candles, but they are of the same potency. The candle power is not reduced because we have ignited so many candles from the original. No. Advaitam, acyut... Purnasya purnam evavasisyate. Even though Krsna expands Himself in millions and millions and forms, still, all of them are the..., of the same potency. That is called sattva-dhamnah. So there are different types of expansion of Krsna. They are called vibhinnamsa, svamsa. Krsna expands Himself svamsa. That is Visnu-tattva. That is advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs. 5.33]. Then vibhinnamsa: mamaivamso jiva-bhutah [Bg. 15.7]. Jiva also expansion of Krsna. We are also expansion of Krsna, but we are vibhinnamsa, separated forms. And svamsa, Visnu-tattva, that is one. So in this way we have to understand Krsna's expansion.
So, sarve hy ami vidhi-karah. These vidhi-karah, they are not svamsa; they are vibhinnamsa. Brahma and other demigods and we, we are of them same category, not that because one has become Brahma, so he is equal to the Supreme Lord. No. That is not possible. Siva-virinci-nutam: [SB 11.5.33] "The Supreme Lord is worshiped even by Lord Brahma, Lord Siva." Nobody can be equal. This Mayavada philosophy that in whichever form you worship the Lord, they are all the same -- no, they are not same. Therefore here it is said, vidhi-karah, brahmadaya, "They are all your servants, vidhi-karah." Vidhi-karas means who executes the order of the Supreme Lord. That is devata. And one who wants to become one or equal with the Supreme Lord, they are asuras. They always create disturbance. At the present moment there are so many asuras. Everyone is defying the supremacy of the Supreme Lord. Everyone is trying to become God. Therefore the whole world is in chaotic condition. If we want to adjust this chaotic condition, then we require the incarnation of God. That is already there. Nama-rupe kali kale krsna-avatara. This Hare Krsna movement is the incarnation of Krsna in the form of name. There is no difference... The sankirtana movement which was inaugurated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu... And Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is Krsna Himself. So abhinnatvad nama-naminoh. So this Hare Krsna movement is not different from Krsna or Caitanya Mahaprabhu. So if we take shelter of this holy name of the Lord, Hare Krsna, then we shall be saved. Paritranaya sadhunam [Bg. 4.8]. We shall become sadhu simply by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra. Ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].
We are all sadhus, actually, originally, because we are part and parcel of Krsna, but in contact with maya, we have become asadhu. Sadhu means who are pure devotees. Bhajate mam ananya-bhak. That is sadhu. Otherwise there is no sadhu. The so-called sadhu, they are not sadhu. Sadhu means bhajate mam ananya-bhak. Sadhur eva sa mantavyah, bhajate mam ananya-bhak [Bg. 9.30]. So by chanting this Hare Krsna mantra, even the lowest of the mankind, naradhama, he can become a sadhu. "What is evidence how one can become sadhu simply by chanting?" Yes. Narottama dasa Thakura says, papi tapi yata chilo, hariname uddharilo tara saksi jagai and madhai. Just see how Jagai-Madhai became sadhu. Caitanya Mahaprabhu introducing this sankirtana movement, He is making everyone sadhu. This is Krsna consciousness movement. Everyone is becoming sadhu. Bhajate mam ananya-bhak. So this avatara, nama-rupe avatara, there is no difference. Nama-cintamanih-krsnah caitanya-rasa-vigrahah. The nama is also vigraha, another form of the Lord, rasa-vigraha. So if we take shelter of this avatara, rucy-avataraih... Every avatara, every incarnation of Krsna is very pleasing. Because Krsna is the reservoir of all pleasure, therefore His avatara... Just like Nrsimhadeva, although He is very ferocious to asuras... They are disturbed. They are disturbing elements and they are disturbed. But Prahlada Maharaja is not disturbed. He's peaceful. So Lord's incarnation, either He is very ferocious or He's very kind, for the devotees there is no disturbance. Devotees are not disturbed, and the asuras are disturbed. So take shelter of the holy name of the Lord. Then disturbing condition of this material world will not touch you.
Ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. Bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam. There is a blazing fire. That is the duty, that is the business of... Vande guroh sri caranaravindam. How to extinguish the blazing fire of this material world -- that is the duty. Every devotee, every pure soul, duty is how to extinguish the blazing fire. And that can be done only by pushing on this Krsna consciousness movement. Otherwise it is not possible. Ceto-darpana-marjanam-bhava-
Thank you very much. Hare Krsna. (end)
CHANT HARE KRISHNA MAHA MANTRA
AND BE HAPPY..........ALWAYS
what is the relation ship of athman with sri krishna,according to you iskcon people?
ReplyDeleteIs the realation is same as krishna as said by adi shankara?
or the difference is absolute as said by madhvacharya?
According to Us iskcon people haha! sounds odd. We are called Gaudiya Vaishnavas.
DeleteGaudiya Vaishnavism does not accept Shankara's oneness. We lean closer to Madhvacarya, but then we also say we are one in Quality with the Lord (Anu) not not in Quantity (Vibhu). This is why it is called Achintya Bedhabheda Tattva - Oneness and different at the same time.