Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.9.32
Mayapur, March 10, 1976
Mayapur, March 10, 1976
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This is the position, transcendentally. How we use this word transcendental, that is explained here, what is transcendental. Turya. Turya, the fourth dimension. Here, in this material world, there are three dimensions: length, breadth and height. And spiritual world, beyond that, not within the measurement of length, breadth and height, that is called turya. (aside:) Child... So we have already discussed that without spiritual touch there is no material creation. That is not possible. So modern scientists, they're missing this point, all big, big scientists. It is very simple thing, but they cannot understand. Mayayapahrta-jnanah [Bg. 7.15]. Although they're advertised to be very advanced in knowledge, but actually they have no knowledge. Mayayapahrta-jnanah. They cannot find out that within the matter there must be spirit. Otherwise there is no creation. There must be. We have used this example often, that matter... A dead child means matter. This body is lump of matter, but on account of presence of the spirit soul we have got working arrangement of this body. There is hand, there is leg, there is head, there is ear -- everything is being utilized. But when the spirit soul is not there, what is the value of this head, leg or hand? Anyone can see to it. So the same principle is applicable to the whole cosmic creation, that even within the ant the same principle, within Brahma the same principle, and within the gigantic universe, the same principle. Without the spirit soul, there is no question of creation. Creation, maintenance and destruction, three things are going on on account of presence of the Supreme Soul. Therefore the three principal deities -- Brahma, Visnu, Mahesvara -- are there, guna-avatara. He is not within the guna; therefore He expands Himself as gunavatara: sattva-guna, rajo-guna, tamo-guna. But He's turya of the gunas. Just like if we enter into the fire, we'll be burned, but sometimes the fire brigade men, they enter into the fire... They have got suit and contradictory dress that they can enter into the fire. Similarly, maya... Maya is very strong, but Krsna, the Lord, when He comes within this material world -- yuge yuge sambhavamy atma-mayaya [Bg. 4.6] -- He comes in His own original turya status. He does not become affected. Gunams ca yunkse. He's not affected. This is the position of Krsna. He's always transcendental. Na me karma-phale sprha. Na mam limpanti karma... Karmani. Yes. Na mam karmani limpanti na me karma-phale sprha [Bg. 4.14]. This is position. We are here under the pressure of karma-phala. By the result of our past lives' fruitive activities we have got this body, material body. That is also not our real body. That is the body of the prison house, just like when a criminal is put into the prison house, he is given a different dress. In hospital, in prison house, when a man is there, his original dress is taken away. It is kept. When he's released from the hospital or jail, the same dress is again returned. Otherwise his present dress is taken and a separate dress is given. Similarly, we have got our spiritual body, not that we are zero, as the Mayavadi thinks. We are not zero. We have got our spiritual body but very, very small. Very small. The measurement is given: one ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair, very minute. Anor aniyan mahato mahiyan. The Supreme Lord is great. "God is great." He's greater than the greatest, and He is smaller than the smallest. He is... The living entity is even smaller than the atom, but it has got a body. It is not that without body. We cannot imagine. Just like sometimes we see at night some microbic ant, very small, almost like full stop, but it is moving very nicely here and there. So the same physiological contruction, anatomy, is there. Everything is there. So this is God's creation. Anor aniyan mahato mahiyan. It can also fly. We can manufacture a flying machine, 747, but we cannot manufacture a flying machine like that microbic ant. That is not possible. So this is God's creation, everything wonderful. But still, He's above, turya. He's not within this creation. He's creating, but he's not within it. Etad isanam isasya. This is called godly power. He is within everything and He is without still. So that is understood here. Nyasyedam atmani jagat vilayamba-madhye. Amba-madhye... Yah karanarnava-jale bhajati sma yoga-nidram ananta [Bs. 5.47]. He appears to be sleeping. Ananta-kale. Again creation and, what is called, annihilation is going on. Yasyaika-nisvasita-kalam athavalambya jivanti loma-vilaja jagad-anda-nathah, visnur mahan sa iha yasya kala [Bs. 5.48]. This creation and annihilation is going on continually. And what is the time difference? Nisvasita-kalam. Just like we exhale and inhale, a second, similarly, this creation -- annihilation is a second for Maha-Visnu. So millions and millions of years stays... Everything is created, and it stays for some time. Srsti-sthiti. Srsti-sthiti pralaya, three stages. So between the srsti, creation, and pralaya, annihilation, there is one period which is called sthiti. That sthiti means the life of Brahma. When the life of Brahma is finished, then there is no more sthiti; it is now annihilated. Now you can calculate what is the life of Brahma. Sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmano viduh [Bg. 8.17]. Our one thousand years and multiplied by the years of yuga... The yuga year means forty-three hundred thousand of years, and, multiplied by one thousand, that period is Brahma's twelve hours, day. Now you can imagine. It is beyond your mathematical calculation, but still, there is calculation in the sastra, and that is, such hundreds years, is the duration of sthiti. But that sthiti, before Karanavasayi Visnu, is the moment, just like we exhale and inhale. So srsti-sthiti. Yasyaika-nisvasita-kalam athavalambya [Bs. 5.48]. They take only that much time which is between exhaling and inhaling. That Maha-Visnu. That Maha-Visnu has placed Himself in this material energy, maha-tattva, and by His nisvasa, by His inhaling and exhaling, the material energy is agitated. Then the three gunas are there. Then, by interaction, counteraction, the whole creation takes place. Nyasyedam atmani jagad vilayambu-madhye sese. Sese: "Lying down on the Sesa-murti." Atmana nija-sukhanubhavo... "He is not obliged, as we are placed in certain condition of life, being obliged." Karmana daiva-netrena [SB 3.31.1]. I have got this body; you have got this body. It is not sukhanubhavah. Here it is said that nija-sukhanubhavah. This is called pastime. He is not obliged, but he takes pleasure. Just like sometimes we take pleasure in a swimming pool, lie down and closing our eyes. Who expert swimmer, they're lying down. Why it is not possible for the Supreme Lord? What is the difficulty? Sukhanubhavah. We take that pastime for pleasure, for pleasure, lying down on the water, closing eyes. So when we speak, "The Garbhodakasayi Visnu lying down in the Causal Ocean," these rascals, fools, they sometimes criticize, "And how it is possible?" How it is not possible? If a ordinary man can take pleasure lying down on the water, closing and lying for hours -- we have seen it -- so what is the difficulty for the Supreme Lord? You have got this tendency to lie down on water, half on the water, and close your eyes. So where your tendency has come? Your tendency has come because the same tendency is there in the Supreme Lord. This is the explanation. Yato va imani bhutani jayante. Janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. This is the Vedic... Everything, whatever you see, that is there in the Supreme Being. Why we make love affairs with young girls or young boys? Because the same propensity is there. Laksmi-sahasra-sata-sambhrama sevyamanam [Bs. 5.29]. Krsna is enjoying in Goloka Vrndavana with so many young girls. That tendency to enjoy the company of young girls or young boys is there. Otherwise wherefrom it has come? That is the explanation. Everything, whatever you see, everything -- janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1] -- that is there. So this sleeping of Karanarnavasayi Visnu is not extraordinary. We can... If we study our, I mean to say, inclinations, our sense of pleasure, if we simply study ourself, you'll find that the Supreme Lord possessing the same thing but in turya, without any touch of maya or without any touch of the three gunas. Then you can understand what is God. God means... Because we are part and parcel of God, so you study yourself. You'll find the same quality. Just like a small drop of sea water. You analyze it, what chemicals are there -- the same chemicals are in the ocean. The difference is quantity. Quality, the same. That is called acintya-bhedabheda tattva. We are qualitatively one with God, not quantitatively. The Mayavadi philosophers, they think we are also quantitatively the same. That is mistake. That is not possible. Otherwise why it is said, sthito na tu tamo na gunams ca yunkse? This... He is so big that He is above these qualities. Just like we become infected in a filthy place, but the sun does not become infected. It, rather, sterilizes that infected place. So we should not compare with God, that "I am equal to Him." No. That is not possible. Tejiyasam na dosaya [SB 10.33.29]. The sun, when it absorbs water from the urinal, he is not infected. He makes that urinal sterilized. Similarly, if sometimes we see some behavior of the Supreme Lord which appears from social, our social point of view as not permitted... But He can do anything. That is the meaning of all-powerful. But He's not affected. He's not affected. Apapa-viddham. Apapa-viddham, in the Upanisad, Isopanisad, that sinful activities... He cannot do anything which is sinful. God is always good. But to our calculation, limited calculation, if we see that He is committing something sinful, it is not sinful. It is sterilizing. The same example. Tejiyasam na dosaya. If by chanting His holy name we become sinless, how God can become sinful? It is not possible. This is common sense. If by chanting His holy name, Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna... Devotees: Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. Prabhupada: ...so we become purified, how Krsna can be impure? It is not possible. Pavitram paramam bhavan. Try to understand Krsna. Here is explanation, that sthito na tu tamo na gunams ca yunkse. This is Krsna. This is Visnu, Krsna. Never, never think... There are some party, they say, "We worship Krsna, Bala-Krsna, boy Krsna." Sometimes they give reason that... Why not, I mean to say, grown-up Krsna? They say that "Grown-up Krsna was polluted by rasa-lila." Just see the fool nonsense! Krsna is always Krsna. This is foolish conclusion, that child Krsna is pure than young Krsna. This is wrong conception. Krsna is... Just like Krsna, when He was three months old, He could kill a big, gigantic witch, that Putana. Can... A three months' old child can kill such a big...? No. Krsna is always God. Either He appears in three months or three hundred years or three thousand years, He is the same. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam adyam purana purusam nava-yauvanam ca [Bs. 5.33]. This is Krsna. So by studying Krsna, you become liberated. So these verses should be studied very carefully, understanding each word very carefully. Then you'll understand Krsna. Kaviraja Gosvami has said, siddhanta boliya citte na kara alasa, iha haite krsna lage sudrdha manasa. Siddhanta, what is Krsna, if you study from the sastras, then siddhanta boliya citte, don't be lazy in understanding Krsna, because if you try to understand Krsna sadhu-sastra-guru-vakyam cittete kariya aikya-through the sadhu, sastra and guru -- then you understand Krsna, what He is. Then you'll not take Him as ordinary human being, as foolish person taking. Avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritah [Bg. 9.11]. Mudhas, rascals, they think Krsna as one of us. Then you'll not be a mudha. You'll be intelligent. And what is the effect? Krsna says personally, janma karma ca divyam me yo janati tattvatah. If you understand Krsna perfectly well... Of course, we cannot know Krsna perfectly. He's so big and we are so small that it is impossible. That is not possible. But you can understand Krsna as much as He explains Himself in the Bhagavad-gita. That much will help you. You cannot understand Krsna. It is not possible. Krsna cannot understand Himself. Therefore He came as Caitanya, to understand Himself. So it is not possible to understand Krsna, but Krsna is giving about, knowledge about Himself, as far as we can understand. That is Bhagavad-gita. So at least you try to understand Krsna as far instruction in the Bhagavad-gita... Caitanya Mahaprabhu has recommended, yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. The human life is meant for understanding Krsna. There is no other business. If you simply stick to this business, your life is successful. Our Krsna consciousness movement is meant for that purpose. We are opening so many centers so that the people of the world may take advantage of this opportunity and understand Krsna and make his life successful. Thank you very much. (end) |
CHANT HARE KRISHNA MAHA MANTRA
AND BE HAPPY..........ALWAYS
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